LoD comments thread: defense scoring

[whoisjgalt]

It's been like it is now for a long time, but what about changing it to something that makes more sense? Sacks = turnovers? The yardage credits for touchdowns are huge. I'd like to discuss an overhaul of the defensive scoring to make it better. Give us your thoughts.

[Jay]

I'd like to see turnovers be worth two points. That's about the only thing that I have a beef with. I like the yardage bonuses for TDs. I think they accurately represent the impact of a D/ST touchdown.

[Merkin]

The yardage bonus on kick returns has been discussed before but never resolved. Personally, I hate it. I think it is too much. A TD is already worth 6, why does it need a bonus multiplier of 1 to 1.5? Since INT or fumble TD's don't get the bonus, I'd argue that KR & Punt return TD's are more fluke than Def TD's.

Using my loss this week as an example (I do not intend to sound like sour grapes, I accept the rules as they were at the time) but there is no way 2 sacks, 1 INT and 2 KR TD's should equal 48 points. :no: 48 points represents half the points of a good weekly score. It is also equivalent to a RB rushing for 200 yards and 5 TD's or a WR having 100 yards and 6 TD's or a QB throwing for 660 yards and 5TD's. No way a kick return should be that big an impact.


As for the rest of the scoring, something along the lines of"
1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery (maybe 3 points), Safety,
3 points: Blocked FG or Punt
5 points: Defense allows 2-10 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR or fake FD or Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout

[Megla]

Def Scoring should be as follows

Int=2 points
Fum Rec= 2 points
Sac= 2 Points
Def TD (to Include Punts and KR)= 6 points
Saftey= 6 points

[dirty dug]

Def Scoring should be as follows

Int=2 points
Fum Rec= 2 points
Sac= 2 Points
Def TD (to Include Punts and KR)= 6 points
Saftey= 6 points

Question, in NFL stats, does a safety count as a sack? If so, would a safety actually be worth 8 points in your scoring?

Thanks.

[S.D. Jones]

The yardage bonus on kick returns has been discussed before but never resolved. Personally, I hate it. I think it is too much. A TD is already worth 6, why does it need a bonus multiplier of 1 to 1.5? Since INT or fumble TD's don't get the bonus, I'd argue that KR & Punt return TD's are more fluke than Def TD's.

Using my loss this week as an example (I do not intend to sound like sour grapes, I accept the rules as they were at the time) but there is no way 2 sacks, 1 INT and 2 KR TD's should equal 48 points. :no: 48 points represents half the points of a good weekly score. It is also equivalent to a RB rushing for 200 yards and 5 TD's or a WR having 100 yards and 6 TD's or a QB throwing for 660 yards and 5TD's. No way a kick return should be that big an impact.


As for the rest of the scoring, something along the lines of"
1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery (maybe 3 points), Safety,
3 points: Blocked FG or Punt
5 points: Defense allows 2-10 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR or fake FD or Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout

I like this

[Megla]

Question, in NFL stats, does a safety count as a sack? If so, would a safety actually be worth 8 points in your scoring?

Thanks.

If it was the QB then yes, much as a sac that causes a fumble that is returned for a td is worth 10.

Now if its a RB/WR/TE, then, No

[whoisjgalt]

As for the rest of the scoring, something along the lines of"
1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery (maybe 3 points), Safety,
3 points: Blocked FG or Punt
5 points: Defense allows 2-10 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR or fake FD or Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout

I'm fine with that. I do like to boost the Safety reward a little (to 4pts) since it's two points for the scoreboard plus two points for the "turnover" (since the team that just got the safety gets the ball next too - kinda like a long interception rather than the subsequent kickoff). Also, Blocked XP should get the same reward as any other blocked kick. And maybe tweak the points scored against a little (less difference between 10 & 11 or whatever the break, more difference between shutout & not):

1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery, Defense allows 7-13 points
3 points: Blocked XP or FG or Punt
4 points: Safety, Defense allows 2-6 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR, fake FG, fake Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout

[Merkin]

1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery, Defense allows 7-13 points
3 points: Blocked XP or FG or Punt
4 points: Safety, Defense allows 2-6 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR, fake FG, fake Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout


Solid

[Jay]

I agree that whoisjgalt's proposition is solid. Should we put it to a vote?

[EMoney]

I like jgalt's suggestion.

[Steebo]

1 point: Sack
2 points: INT & Fumble recovery, Defense allows 7-13 points
3 points: Blocked XP or FG or Punt
4 points: Safety, Defense allows 2-6 points
6 points: D/ST TD (INT, fum, KR, PR, fake FG, fake Punt)
10 points: Def Shutout

:thumbsup:

Also I think the only way you should get yardage points on kickoff/punt returns is if you have that particular player on your starting roster, but thats just me.